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038 New in: Biocurrents

038 New in: Biocurrents

By Jurmaine Health

Recently, we celebrated our 10 years anniversary with a big show of lion dance. Listen to our experience of the lion dance, and find out which lion had some mobility problems. We would love to introduce our new tool! As part of the 10-years celebration, we are introducing Biocurrents at our practice! We were once advised to not use such machinery tools earlier on in our practice because it will not improve our skill sets. Using tools or machines earlier on would mean that our hands will not be sensitised or pliable in different manual/ physical modalities like manipulation, ART, lymphatics, bones, joints, tissues, muscles etc. We believe that this is a brilliant time to introduce this new machinery tool because it will enhance our skill sets acquired in the past decade. This will help with our treatment and a few of our patients have already experienced it! Comment below what you thought of it! Look out for our promotion of the Biocurrents in our newsletter and social media~!

CERA [25:17]
meridians. So the full name is bio electric meridian therapy. So we’re using Western form of medicine with applying electrical current to your body, but then you’re incorporating the traditional Chinese medicine where we’re working along the lines of your meridian lines and meridian pathways. What’s really good about it for people who are fearful of needles, there’s no needles involved, that it post treatment, there’ll be no marks on your body. Maybe a slight tinge of green. Yeah, that will come off. You’d just look a little bit like the Hulk.

When you leave

SHERMAIN [13:02]
Our very first machine in 10 years. That’s right. And this machine it’s called biocurrent. Some will be known as frequency specific micro currents. They’re similar, not the same. Some of our people, some people have been privy to it already, utilizing some of it already. And this is how I describe it’s like a tense machine with a special green sauce.

Dr Shermain Wong is a seasoned chiropractor with particular expertise in Sports Medicine and a passion for the benefits of in ‘Active Release Technique™ (an advanced Soft Tissue Technique developed by Chiropractors). She is professionally trained in ART and has a Masters in Clinical Chiropractic from RMIT University. Dr Wong has provided chiropractic and movement rehabilitation services at international sporting competitions, and provided rehabilitation and training for professional dancers, professional football players and professional athletes.

She can be found at https://www.jurmainehealth.com.au/dr-shermain-wong/

Episode 038: New in Biocurrents

Podcast brought to you by Jurmaine Health

JACKIE [00:02]

This is Jurmaine Health, the center to help you achieve in wellness in both your brain and body. We endeavor to encourage cross communication between health professionals for your health and well being. We'll bring you topics on functional neurological health such as neuro psychology, neuro behavior, neuro musculoskeletal, neurogastro, the Embodied Project, metabolism and microbiome, which are also some of the services that we provide. So guys, today's episode will be a continuation on from our previous J H origins episode, where we chatted with our co founders, Dr. Judy Tang and Dr. Shermain Wong about as I just said, the J H origins will tell you about how our 10-year anniversary celebrations went and will also give you an insight into what Dr. Judy Tang mentioned in the previous episode, which is our new treatment modality, our biocurrent machines. I have Dr. Shermain Wong and our favorite physio Cera Lai with me today. So say hello guys.




So guys, let's start off with our anniversary party. Shermain, it was your party. What do you think of it? Did you have fun?

SHERMAIN [01:08]

I like the lions. I like the lion dance and what was most fascinating to me was they managed to get through the door.

I wasn't expecting them to get through the door. So it's like, oh, this is, the head actually fits through the door.

JACKIE [01:30]

Just in case you missed either the party or the pictures when Shermain's talking about lions. She means like your Chinese lion dance. Just so you get some idea of what she's talking about when she says a lion.

SHERMAIN [01:43]

Yeah, a lot of staff, family, friends, patients too. They were really excited when the lions came along. So that was quite the highlight of it, and firecrackers.

I come from Singapore. So we used to see firecrackers when I was really small, then it was all gone. So it's banned in a lot of Asian countries.

CERA [02:06]

Yeah. Even in Taiwan.

SHERMAIN [02:08]

In Taiwan in Hong Kong in Vietnam

CERA [02:13]

It is not banned. There are rules around how you can set it off.


granted, that's the same here. And we didn't need a permit.

SHERMAIN [02:20]

Yeah, we didn't need a permit.

JACKIE [02:22]

We did not randomly just set off firecrackers.

SHERMAIN [02:27]

That's right but I was really happy about that, because that was a that's like something, you know, brings you back to childhood days. And it's a bit of fun, a bit of noise and brings a bit of a different energy. But what is interesting about it is that my it wasn't my idea. This was my mom's idea. And yeah, it was my mom's idea to have

JACKIE [02:48]

Thank you auntie. So it was Judy's mom's idea to buy the clinic and and Shermain's mum's idea to host the party

SHERMAIN [03:01]

So mums have like, you know, it's like they will crack the whip and when they really want something and then you have got to get it done. And my parents are not here.

JACKIE [03:11]


SHERMAIN [03:12]

Yeah, they hounded me from overseas every single week until I got it done. So it was pretty last minute but for a last minute turnout, it was really fun. And we were quite happy about that. I hope that you guys were happy and had fun too.

JACKIE [03:28]

We did have a lot of fun and we didn't cause any car accidents.

SHERMAIN [03:33]


JACKIE [03:34]

Despite the fact that every car slowed down at the intersection

SHERMAIN [03:36]

Yeah, we have had a few bikes stop right outside just to watch the lion dance and what the hell's happening

JACKIE [03:43]

And neighbors coming past watching

And the lions played soccer Yeah, and the big medicine balls at the back

CERA [03:52]

Yeah really, they were really good with the children which was really cool

JACKIE [03:56]

There should be video footage of that somewhere. There was video footage of this the little soccer being played. There was already

Do you have that?

SHERMAIN [04:03]

Story. Yeah, yeah. Yeah he misses on Insta story. I didn't know it was my Insta story I think someone showed it to me how to access Insta story I'm not a millennial at all. But anyway

JACKIE [04:15]

We had a few those little things they gave to the kids a nice little fright.

SHERMAIN [04:21]


JACKIE [04:22]

The kids, as I was walking behind them carrying my little nephew and they were doing that particular lion that was in front of us was walking backwards. So he was facing them. So they were pulling faces that the lion making little Nanananana faces and then at one point the lion just jumped at them

I didn't know whether to be, like to feel sorry for them or to just crack up laughs just like I was watching this going this is not gonna end well. It's not gonna end well for you. I'm waiting for it. And then he pounced and just like the kids went flying backwards

SHERMAIN [04:56]

That's funny. I missed it.

Yeah, this is good fun. And what else happened for you guys during that time?

CERA [05:06]

Well, I was on video duty. So I was hyper focused. It was quite funny because one of the lions was a lot older than the other lion, well the people in the lions, so

JACKIE [05:22]

the lions were real you telling people in them

CERA [05:26]

funny because I was like oh, you know this person's a bit stuck you know they can't move or squat very well. like aah god


you were assessing him.



so that was pretty cool.


Was that lion that wasn't doing so much up down stuff a lot

SHERMAIN [05:49]

A lot of things you look at

Well we have a normal habit of doing that.

That's true.

Everyone that was walking he was just like so what an injury you carry. Just let me assess you first.

The force of habit. Yes, that's right. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah.


So and we are going to celebrate that. This 10 year anniversary. We have some promotions this year, just to carry that on. Well, we have never really had promotions in our plan to begin with. So for those of you who are hearing it, as long as we're promoting it, you should pick it up because if not, then you have got to wait for another decade or

just until our 20 year anniversary.

CERA [06:34]

I don't even want to think how old or young we will be then yeah, just old and decrepit

JACKIE [06:39]

Decrepit. We're not supposed to, not in our line of work. We're supposed to still be tip top that we will still be balancing on both on fit balls. Yeah that said, that in order for us to do that we need to definitely need to pump up our fitballs. They're a little flat so it makes a little easy.

SHERMAIN [07:04]

Well, yes, that's right. Well as long as we can balance them and you know lift really heavy weights still. I think that's awesome. Mm hmm. And that's our goal for everyone

JACKIE [07:14]

As long as I can climb I'm happy

you lift weights, I climb. Climb like bouldering hiking is fine.


That's not climbing that's walking?


Mine is not flat. I don't do flat. What all do you do like spider crawls?


Or what do you do?

JACKIE [07:37]

Do you know what Shermain knows that I have on a couple of occasions had to crawl under through a rock sort of thing to go on not because I'm on a cliff one of my parts has a cliff sort of face and to get between one to the other Shermain has those know that I have actually crawled between the two cliffs to go under think of it under one all over the other. So I don't want to go over the side of the thing. So I have actually crawled through. So I do do it.

SHERMAIN [08:02]

So it's crawling, not climbing.

JACKIE [08:04]

It's I don't know how you can well I don't know how they call it climbing because I when I say climbing for me, I associate it with ropes and stuff, that's why I don't call it climbing, right? But if you look at it physically, you'd still be having to climb. It's not a walking, you're not walking on a cliff. You having to climb you're having to find your little ledges to grab on to or you've placed a foot onto okay, because otherwise you're going off. Like I said, but because I don't associate it with any ropes or anything.

Yeah, I don't call it climbing. I just say how

JACKIE [08:42]

So that I try and don't refer to it at that. I can't. I thought about going climbing indoor. Yeah. And that's as far as I go.

I mean, I thought that you need someone, you need a partner for it.

Not for bouldering.

I don't know what bouldering is.

CERA [09:00]

So no rope

no ropes o yeah that's my type. you go to heights like two and a half floors and you just jump down. Okay,

JACKIE [09:06]

that would be maybe more my thing. Yeah. So that you can hang upside down to not that keen

JACKIE [09:13]

For I don't do an impracticality I don't need to do all that all right so now it's the climbing one okay I can take you there if you want into, to where I like going my little hiking okay but it's not a Howie journey

all right oh yeah yeah

JACKIE [09:30]

It's I've got to make that, I've got to make that. Someone wanted to take his Husky and I said don't. I wouldn't risk the Husky �

Shermain [09:37]

Howie can crawl.

JACKIE [09:39]

It will I wouldn't because some of the terrain there is not nice. We've got two legs pretty much damaged they've got four under some of those surfaces are very easy to run a risk of injuring

where abouts do you hike

JACKIE [09:58]

What is it called again? loaded gorge � up yep okay everyone loaded up gorge

you can find Jackie there in

JACKIE [10:10]

in winter time for now.

Yeah motoring around

I've said no to going in spring


Give her a hand.

JACKIE [10:16]

Hey, well maybe she might give you a hand. Oh the latter: I help and I don't take help. I laughed I went on Wednesday and we won. I slipped at one point when I had a group of people coming in my direction. So I was finishing up and that was the first few people that are actually seen on the track. I was trying to give them away so I moved off a slightly to the side and I almost slipped and the guy that was walking towards me, put out his hands to look as if do catches if in case I fell and I didn't fall. I manage to stay upright and stuff. And I looked at him and in my head I was just like mate I can guarantee you now you're about like the size of about one of my thighs. If I went out you're going out with me. Like your attempted catch would have taken you out along with me. Fail.

But no, it was entertaining.

So do you hike anywhere else?

JACKIE [11:12]

No, not now. I've done, I've played around Hanging Rock when I got stuck there last time so

SHERMAIN [11:19]

apparently a lot of people get stuck with Hanging Rock.

JACKIE [11:22]

I'm a muppet

JACKIE [11:26]

I'm a muppet. So if I see a rock that's nobody's climbing on. I try to get up onto that rock. Yeah, it's usually a good indicator when somebody is not on a rock not to go on the rock, not to attempt the rock. I managed to get on to the rock. Had difficulty coming down. Yeah, we were close to calling the Ranger for help. In the end, I had applause when I got down.

SHERMAIN [11:47]

How did you come down?

JACKIE [11:48]

I had to get my mate to come up onto the rock next to it to guide my foot so that I had a ledge because there was a ledge of about a brick width that I needed to land my foot on otherwise I was going on with the sides of the cliffs either way So I needed to land that little edge. Otherwise I couldn't go forward because I was too I'm too little for it because the wings like the legspan was too long for me. So I needed to be able to get that one sidewards backwards. That's what I looked like on the thing, but it was one of those ones that is just like, yep, I need someone behind me to put that foot down because I can't see where it's supposed to go. So if I don't hit it, I'm off. So yes, I got applause. That's why I got stuck.

SHERMAIN [12:32]

It was funny. But here's all the things we get ourselves into. Yep. And to get ourselves out of.

JACKIE [12:38]

That's why we need to stay fit.

SHERMAIN [12:41]

Yeah, that's right.

JACKIE [12:43]

So we won't be decrepit in another 10 years time.

SHERMAIN [12:48]

Well, there'll be a lot of changes coming up soon, we have started to shift some equipment and apparatus around the places

JACKIE [12:57]

well we've already had one big shift and that's our first new machine in the clinic,

SHERMAIN [13:02]

Our very first machine in 10 years. That's right. And this machine it's called biocurrent. Some will be known as frequency specific micro currents. They're similar, not the same. Some of our people, some people have been privy to it already, utilizing some of it already. And this is how I describe it's like a tense machine with a special green sauce.

JACKIE [13:30]

It's called cream. You know, do you know how much I had to look up whether I was supposed to order green cream or green mud when our order form came through, when we were trying to place new orders.

SHERMAIN [13:44]

Oh, mud is the thing

JACKIE [13:46]

I figured that out. But it was after doing like 15 minutes, 20 minutes 30 minutes of research online to try and figure this thing out because I didn't have the bottle in front of me.

SHERMAIN [13:57]

It's funny because she figures everything out and

like Yeah just use this special green sauce solution cream and

JACKIE [14:07]

she's talking about the special green sauce cream thing and then today she's pointing to and she's asking me which one is this one. Kid you not showing the Chinese characters on it? I'm going which one is this one Jackie you know the ones I'm like oh well how am i like i like that you're pointing at the Chinese language and going here read these guys so that you know I am the only one in the clinic hundred percent does not know anything

Shermain's like what I do, but you know which ones are which thing, don't you? You probably some numbers and like they are at the back. It's actually got a number on it.

But characters. It's a number.

SHERMAIN [14:47]

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah it's really reliable colleagues I have there. So that's such a good site. And this biocurrents what it does, it's so how it came about is, when I was working on several patients, it felt like they didn't have energy within their system. They're losing energy. It looks, it feels like cellular energy issues too. And I was thinking to myself, well, there should be something out there that starts firing the cells. How that happened was because I was reading about a fusion of an egg and sperm for cloning purposes,

JACKIE [15:28]

and how She wants to clone Howie guys,

SHERMAIN [15:30]

Yeah, well, I wasn't wanting to clone Howie

JACKIE [15:33]

She thought about it before.

SHERMAIN [15:35]

And it's a very, and that proceeded to do that is essentially quite inhumane. And I don't like that idea. But however, what really sparked literally sparked my interest was how in how the cells needed a jolt of electricity, for fusion purposes, then it can create the energy

JACKIE [15:59]

create life

SHERMAIN [16:00]

Yeah, create energy for mitosis and meiosis, right? So that's how cells divide and, be more cells and develop into a being. And so on of that out of that I was thinking to myself so it looks like, I was thinking that sometime this year I was going to look into currents because I have never liked things like laser or shock wave or ultrasound or infrared in Scholz or TENS, really TENS or emfs. You know, it seems so I've never liked any of those because I found that they were not either built properly or they were not useful or they are useful to a very tiny extent. And the resulting effort out of using those machines or out of that is very low. So as a result of that, I had one colleague before, and she's now a lecturer in a private university. She was strongly encouraging me to use machines, but at that time, and I still believe now that if our hands on skills are not great as clinicians, then we shouldn't be using too many machines because we will lose our sensitivity for palpation skills. If we lose our sensitivity for our palpation skills, then we don't know how to look at the changes or calibrate the changes that is needed on a body when we don't have the machines because sometimes in one of those rare and special occasions, we sometimes don't have any tools all those when we are working on someone. And if that's the case, then our own physical skill set has got to be, physical skill set for manipulations, soft tissue, nerves, lymphatics, arteries, bones joints must be pretty precise and switched on. And if we have a tool like that it will help people recover faster. And we know what we are looking for. And we know, we understand when a person is able to be worked on with currents or not. So I went on to read to do a little bit of reading, reading about how who has talked about currents and how currents come about. I thought I was like, I was advanced, oh yeah it's about currents. I can do this for research. But no, right? There are smarter people in the world than me I was so disappointed. I was thoroughly devastated about that.

JACKIE [18:48]

I am sure you still do some sort of research. We just need to find a category.

SHERMAIN [18:52]

Exactly currents. One really prominent ophthalmologist and he was a and he's an eye surgeon. And he developed one of the beta one of the earliest form of LASIK. And he was doing eye surgery and he contracted an infectious virus and developed encephalitis, which is swelling in the brain. And he had some viruses in the body and he was like, well, I need to find out more I need to, you know, if I don't heal myself and find a way to heal myself, then this is going to be a problem. And he realized that, well, cells need energy to recover. If the cells do not have energy or currents to recover, they don't regenerate as fast as they are dying out because different sets of cells in our body have, has their own life timing. Right. So some are eight weeks, some are three months, some are two weeks, so it really regenerates. But if the regeneration pattern is not happening as quickly as how as it's dying out, we start having trouble that's how chronic pain comes along. And in fact, he has been able to calibrate emotional energy and manage to calibrate that to a energy charge too. So even emotional energies have got energy charges.

But we are going to speak about that in a different podcast. And when we have these low charges in our body we have, we develop pain, pain that we can't get rid of easily. And if our cellular regeneration factors are slower than, slower and less efficient than the cells that are dying out and then we start having trouble

JACKIE [20:49]

We essentially die

SHERMAIN [20:50]

Yeah, pretty much how some structures like structures in the in bones in wrists. And they are just dying out kind of disease and things like that. That's because the cells are sometimes not generating fast enough. And that's how I came into the biocurrents, but current therapies, really, but what is more important, or what is more interesting out of it is I have never also really liked acupuncture to a very large extent, because I think acupuncture is like a 50-50 thing, it can work for some really chronic, unbalance issues.

So you mean acupuncture with the currents

No just acupuncture itself. And also, out of that, you get about 25 to 30% response rates. And the rest of the response rate is also a little bit 50-50. So we have only a 25% response rate out of a lot of people. So it's a bit like cortisone injections, I think. So that in itself is not great. However, a lot of acupuncture lines, acupuncture points, line up with fascia lines. A lot of you read it as fascia, otherwise trains, it's actually known as anatomy trains, okay, fascia lines, and they link up really closely and well, they overlap, a lot of it overlaps. So, when that happens when we are looking at certain electrical gate points. So it's like nodes of a node. It's like a central node. And those nodes align to the fascia lines align to acupuncture lines as well. So I was looking for a solution like that. And then I, you know, when you put things out into the universe, sometimes it comes to you in a very serendipitous manner. And that was what happened. I'm not going to lie that and I cannot lie. So that was what happened. And I was sitting beside a colleague, whom I've known for about four or five years, and she was developing those products. And we went to study that and we have had quite a number of good results out of it. All of us had it done. Jackie had it done. Cera had it done. I had it done. We have all have had different reactions and responses. Maybe we can try that with you for me. It's about me having a bit more energy. How about you for Cera?

CERA [23:23]

I was not a prawn. Yeah.

Yeah, I've really felt free in my hips even though we weren't really working on

the hips at all. We avoided her hips really? Yeah.

Yeah. And effect actually lasted for a good one and a half weeks, I would say Mm hmm. Yeah. I wasn't even looking for I just could feel it.

JACKIE [23:47]

I think my main one was that it helped clear out the last bits of the corticosteroid


from your overdose accident.

JACKIE [23:58]

Yes. So and still quite good number of people have had good reactions to it. That means some people

SHERMAIN [24:07]

portray indicated to do it. This is a really, I think that it's the way forward in rehab. So I'm quite excited about this product. And we are going to�

I'm going to interject quickly to say that you're going to like one of the creams that one of the versions of the creams that I bought, then you're talking about the cellular renewal cellular energy, and one of the creams is meant to be specifically for cell regrowth.

SHERMAIN [24:36]

No, hopefully it's not like you know,

JACKIE [24:38]

I was again I

JACKIE [24:42]

It was for cell energy mitochondrial energy and stuff like that. Again, this was what I said, I spent about a good half hour to an hour researching the creams and then different numbers, because the order forms have them listed 1 to 15 but doesn't tell you which ones for what so I tried the I did the game of, let's try see if we can find these things.

SHERMAIN [25:05]

So, Cera, would you like to really like to introduce this product to people?

CERA [25:12]

So yeah, we call it biocurrents

SHERMAIN [25:15]

biocurrents meridians,

CERA [25:17]

meridians. So the full name is bio electric meridian therapy. So we're using Western form of medicine with applying electrical current to your body, but then you're incorporating the traditional Chinese medicine where we're working along the lines of your meridian lines and meridian pathways. What's really good about it for people who are fearful of needles, there's no needles involved, that it post treatment, there'll be no marks on your body. Maybe a slight tinge of green. Yeah, that will come off. You'd just look a little bit like the Hulk.

When you leave


Shrek and Shrek's girlfriend Yeah,

CERA [25:57]

you notice most of our hands are green, that's just from the cream that we use, which is a alkaline medium that we apply to your skin for electrical conduction

JACKIE [26:11]

made up of alfalfa.

CERA [26:14]

Yeah, so with electrical stimulation, it promotes blood circulation boosts immune system, like Shermain was saying the gateway channels we unblock those channels via the meridian and all the anatomy lines we stimulate fascia and muscle tissue cells. Yep. Generally it helps with pain, a lot of modulation of pain and then we can go back to like the traditional TENS way of helping chronic pain and lastly, I think the biggest one we found is it really helps with chronic swelling. So people with I guess lymphedema, swelling in joints, so yeah, swelling everywhere.

JACKIE [27:00]


CERA [27:01]

inflammation. Yeah. So how does it work? A really small current microcurrent is applied to your skin, only 8 millivolts up to 8 millivolts. And for those who are keen the body can withstand up to 36


millivolts so we're nowhere near the danger zone. What you would feel is a gentle buzzing certain areas might get a little bit prickly, but fear not we the clinicians feel it as well.

JACKIE [27:29]

Yeah, we're not gonna use an extreme charge on you because it means we're going to be charged up just as much as you are. Yeah, we feel it just as much as you.

CERA [27:38]

So it's gonna be quite an interesting sensation because the current actually flows through us, to you.

Very connected in the moment

CERA [27:53]

So generally we have people very relaxed, falling asleep most of the time Yeah. The biggest thing is things to know prior to the treatment is if you have pacemaker electronical implants or metal hardware in your body, just let us know beforehand that kind of thing that we need to be aware of the very basic stuff on health issues, just let us know so that we can see this form of therapy is applicable for you. Otherwise, there's rules that we will review on after the treatment.

SHERMAIN [28:32]

Yeah. And so look out for this promotion is coming out


Biocurrents guys.

SHERMAIN [28:37]

Yep. And we will send through via

JACKIE [28:41]

email, email, man, I'm sure yes, social media will be on our Facebook and our Insta stories. Instagrams. Because we use both of them. Yeah, we use the body and the brain ones. Yep. Alright guys. I think we'll wrap up for today. I think we've spoken about the biocurrents fairly extensively for you. But if you have any questions of course, you can always ask us or if you're interested in them, come on come in, call up, and we'll book you in. If you like what we're presenting, give us a thumbs up a like or share it with one other person who you think we may be able to help. For those of you who are coaches, dancers or athletes, and may find difficulty in expressing or executing movement patterns. Please do connect with us on our website which is www.JURMAINEHEALTH.com.au and JURMAINEHEALTH is spelled J U R M A I N E H E A L T H. Or socialize with us on our Facebook, which is JURMAINEHEALTH and our Instagram which is JURMAINEHEALTH body. And last but not least since this podcast is made for you, our clients, patients and fans. Do let us know what else you might like to hear about guys. Thanks for today.

See you. Bye

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